Tuesday, February 9, 2010

Must We Loathe David Irving?

by Michael K. Smith

"The chief problem in historical honesty is not outright lying. It is omission or de-emphasis of important data. The definition of 'important,' of course, depends on one's values."

------Howard Zinn, Failure To Quit

This year marks the tenth anniversary of the David Irving - Deborah Lipstadt libel trial. Irving sued Lipstadt and Penguin Books for having called him a "Holocaust Denier" as part of what he claimed was a campaign to ruin his reputation. In his opening statement to the court, he complained that the label Holocaust Denier was a "verbal yellow star," designed to destroy him for being an enemy of what Norman Finkelstein has termed "The Holocaust Industry."

Judge Charles Gray did not agree with Irving, but one hardly needs the sanction of judicial opinion to recognize that the Holocaust Denier label is intended to discredit, not illuminate, in the same way that "nigger" is. What would it mean to prove to the satisfaction of a court that someone "really was" a nigger? Only that racism was alive and well in the judicial system. In a similar way, the court's decision against Irving represents complicity in the demonization of Holocaust heretics, not a victory for history and truth, as was claimed by the capitalist media in the wake of the trial.

No one survives having the denier label affixed to his work, even when one accepts, as Irving does, that the Nazis inflicted appalling carnage on European Jews during World War II. The point of this defamatory label is not the preservation of historical truth (as though historians didn't regularly falsify history to advance the interests of favored states), but the destruction of official enemies. As the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci put it, intellectuals are "experts in legitimation," not scholarship, and historical fact is quite beside the point. Irving had to be "delegitimized" not for his historiography but because he publicly challenged the Holy Trinity of what has become a Holocaust religion: (1) homicidal gas chambers (2) the six million (3) intention to exterminate. The Holocaust Industry does not allow anyone to get away with that.

Predictably, the highlight of the case was Auschwitz and the homicidal gas chambers that are said to have existed there. Irving expressed skepticism that there had been any, while defense attorney Richard Rampton flatly rejected the idea that he had any obligation to build an affirmative case for them:

“I am not here to prove that Auschwitz had gas chambers, homicidal gas chambers. I do not need to do that. If you . . . have an open mind and you look at the convergence of evidence - eyewitness testimony from victims, perpetrators, and the contemporaneous documentary evidence and the archeological remains - you are going to conclude, as a matter of probability at the very least, that indeed what the eyewitnesses tell us is true."

Of course, as my co-blogger Frank Scott points out, this is magical thinking, and a prescription for reducing history to mythology, to wit:

"I am not here to prove that Jesus Christ rose from the dead. I do not need to do that. If you . . . have an open mind and you look at the convergence of evidence - eyewitness testimony from those who saw the empty tomb, Roman perpetrators of the murder, and the contemporaneous documentary evidence and the archeological remains - you are going to conclude that what the Bible tells us is true."

In the text of his decision Judge Gray admitted he was predisposed to believe in homicidal gas chambers (both sides in the Holocaust controversy agree that there were gas chambers to control disease). “I have to confess that, in common I suspect with most other people," wrote Gray, "I had supposed that the evidence of mass extermination of Jews in the gas chambers at Auschwitz was compelling.” The judge would have rendered a great public service had he inquired into exactly why a majority of people had come to believe in something whose material basis Gray himself admitted was largely absent. In any case, his predisposition to believe combined with the vast manpower advantage enjoyed by Lipstadt and Penguin Books, made the trial's outcome easy to predict.

To arrive at the conclusion that homicidal gas chambers existed, the judge accepted the legitimacy of a David Ray Griffin-style "cumulative proof," which dispensed with the need to find or cite direct evidence - a great convenience. Thus, the defense did not have to suffer the embarrassment of being unable to produce photographs of the homicidal gas chambers or their physical remains, nor contemporary German documents discussing the myriad complexities involved in (allegedly) systematically exterminating millions of people with an industrial assembly line of death.

In effect, the judge asserted that since solid evidence for the homicidal gas chambers was lacking, flimsy evidence would have to do. “The consequence of the absence of any overt documentary evidence of gas chambers at these camps, coupled with the lack of archeological evidence, means that reliance has to be placed on eyewitness and circumstantial evidence . . .”

But of course no one has to grant eyewitness testimony and circumstancial evidence the power to decide the case. After all, a cumulative proof based on inferential speculation is not nearly as convincing as an argument employing direct evidence, and it is curious that an alleged program of industrial extermination should be so lacking in such evidence. Judge Gray, who appeared eager to avoid having to judge historical questions, missed an opportunity to sidestep the thorny gas chamber question by pointing out the dubious nature of a cumulative proof.

Instead, he endorsed a speculative case based squarely on circumstantial evidence and eyewitness testimony, much of it patently ridiculous, which concluded that there "must have been" homicidal gas chambers. Accepting the validity of "must have been," of course, requires a certain leap of faith, which the trial's much invoked "objective, fair-minded historian" should not have required.

Judge Gray asserted that there was a "convergence" of evidence "which is to the ordinary, dispassionate mind overwhelming that hundreds of thousands of Jews were systematically gassed to death at Auschwitz." But in the very next breath he issued a qualification that ought to be posted at the entrance of every Holocaust museum in the world: ". . . the contemporaneous documents, such as drawings, plans, correspondence with contractors and the like, yield little clear evidence of the existence of gas chambers designed to kill humans. Such isolated references to the use of gas as are to be found amongst these documents can be explained by the need to fumigate clothes so as to reduce the incidence of diseases such as typhus." It's a wonder Lipstadt didn't accuse the judge of being a Holocaust Denier.

As for the eyewitness evidence, even the Lipstadt-Penguin team had to concede that it was not exactly sound. “The Defendants recognise that not all of the evidence which I have sought to summarise above is altogether reliable," wrote Judge Gray. "This applies with particular force to the evidence of the eye-witnesses.” He found that "witnesses may have repeated and even embellished the (invented) accounts of other witnesses with the consequence that a corpus of false testimony is built up." Nevertheless, he concluded that the "cumulative effect of the documentary evidence for the genocidal operation of the gas chambers at Auschwitz is considerable." How a stream of evidence heavily contaminated by "false testimony" leads an unprejudiced mind to belief rather than skepticism was left rather unclear by the judge.

Irving tried to get the case back on a material footing, but judge Gray rejected his contention that the absence of (venting) holes in the roof of the morgue at Auschwitz's crematorium 2 meant that no mass gassing operation could have taken place there. ". . . the apparent absence of evidence of holes in the roof at crematorium 2 falls short of being a good reason for rejecting the cumulative effect of the evidence on which the Defendants rely." (emphasis added.) Defense witness Robert Jan van Pelt suggested that the holes were cemented in in the fall of 1944. Irving responded scathingly: "So what you are saying is with the Red Army just over the River Vistula ever since November 1944 and about to invade and the personnel of Auschwitz concentration camp in a blue funk and destroying their records and doing what they can, some SS Rottenfuhrer has been given the rotten job of getting up there with a bucket and spade and cementing in those four holes - in case after we have blown up the building they show?"

On the issue of intentionality, the judge disagreed with Irving about Hitler allegedly not knowing about the "extermination" of the Jews. He claimed that Irving's ideological convictions distorted his historical findings, allegedly on purpose.

If indeed Irving was guilty of this, that makes him very much like historians in general, who regularly falsify the historical record to protect the reputation of their favored states, often quite deliberately. Consider the fact that American historians - for 200 years! - didn't even mention that Washington deliberately destroyed North American Indian nations.

That's deliberate falsification.

There are plenty of other examples.

What about the six million? Holocaust death tolls were calculated in the aggregate, based on estimated population sizes. Wrote Judge Gray: “(Christopher) Browning advanced what is in effect a demographic argument in support of the Defendants’ contention that Jews were exterminated in the gas chambers at the death camps in vast numbers. He calculated the approximate number who were deported from western European countries and removed from the ghettos of Poland; he asserted that contemporaneous evidence proves that many of them were transported to Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka . . ." Those unaccounted for were presumed dead in the Holocaust. ". . . since they were never heard of again, Browning considers it reasonable to infer that they were put to death in the camps” (emphasis added).

But how accurate were the "estimated" population sizes and the "approximate" number of deportees? Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem claims it has the names of three million European Jews who died during WWII - including those who died from natural causes - which constitutes only half of the deaths routinely attributed to the Holocaust. What about the other half? Irving claimed that the Jewish death toll at the hands of the Nazis was between one and four million. Since the upper end of his range exceeds the numbers from Yad Vashem, why is his view considered scandalous? Furthermore, presumed dead is not the same as proven murdered, much less "exterminated" in gas chambers. There are many ways to die, especially in a war zone.

The defense attempted to prove that Irving not only distorted and falsified history, but that he did so from a motive to rehabilitate and resuscitate Nazism. (The hysteria that "it" is about to happen again is routinely used to deflect serious questions about what exactly "it" refers to in the first place.) But Judge Gray stated that, though racist, Irving was not guilty of inciting racist violence. “I accept that Irving is not obsessed with race. He has certainly not condoned or excused racist violence or thuggery. But he has on many occasions spoken in terms which are plainly racist.”

If true, this makes him much like Lipstadt, who opposes intermarriage and condones the founding of a Jewish apartheid state on Palestinian land. Unlike democratic states, Israel is not the state of its citizens, but the state of the Jewish people wherever they happen to be. The Palestinian Arabs are just in the way. Hence the genocidal attempt to eradicate their culture, which is a means of getting them to "voluntarily" leave, so they can be replaced by Jewish immigrants from around the world. In short, Lipstadt's racism supports the infliction of a massive injustice, while Irving's does not.

Furthermore, nothing could have been more ironic than the defense's attempt to smear Irving as an unreconstructed Nazi, dedicated to resurrecting the Hitler regime. For while Irving did nothing more serious than give talks, Germany led a successful campaign in the Balkans throughout the 1990s to promote ethnic homogeneity by force, a bedrock Nazi principle, ultimately dismembering Yugoslavia into ethnic statelets under foreign control, a policy which was (1) illegal (2) based on a demonized caricature of the Serbs that showed a striking resemblance to Nazi propaganda in the 1940s (3) carried out in alliance with the descendants of Hitler's Muslim and Croatian allies, justly famous for drug trafficking, kidnapping, rape, and murder.

In 1999, just months before the Lipstadt-Irving trial began the Luftwaffe bombed Yugoslavia on the pretext that Germany was overcoming its evil past and becoming a "normal nation" (i.e., an aggressive one) by attacking a Serbian Hitler (Slobodan Milosevic) who was allegedly committing genocide, though the fact of the matter was that there were no refugees during the last five months of peace and the internally displaced persons fleeing the three-way ethnic conflict numbered only a few thousand. But in the cartoon-like morality play shown on Western T.V., the Serbs were cast as Oriental barbarians, while the Croats and Muslims starred as their perpetually innocent victims.

German leaders announced that precisely because of the German role in the Holocaust, they had to abandon Berlin's pledge to forever renounce the use of military intervention abroad. This so-called humanitarian imperialism, noted author Diana Johnstone, expressed "perfect continuity with the most aggressive traditions of German policy toward the Balkans as practiced by Berlin in two world wars." In particular, the round condemnation of an entire ethnic group (Serbs) was "reminiscent of the pre-war propaganda against the Jews," she wrote.

But at the Irving-Lipstadt trial the judge and the general public were led to believe that David Irving was the real Nazi, because he gave a speech that inspired a group of skinheads to shout "Sieg Heil." Ask Yugoslavians if they think this is worse than the bombing campaign that destroyed their houses, old-age homes, hospitals, outdoor markets, buses, trains, columns of fleeing refugees, and the Chinese Embassy.

The fact of the matter is, there is no reason to accept the demonized image of Irving handed on to us by his political enemies. Moreover, even they concede that his efforts have contributed to the development of fresh historical research. Defense witness Christopher Browning, for example, admitted to Irving that his book, Hitler's War, "was the impetus for research . . . on decision-making process and Hitler's role." Meanwhile, Judge Gray had considerable praise to offer Irving the military historian:

“My assessment is that as a military historian, Irving has much to commend him. For his works of military history Irving has undertaken thorough and painstaking research into the archives. He has discovered and disclosed to historians and others many documents which, but for his efforts, might have remained unnoticed for years. It was plain from the way in which he conducted his case and dealt with a sustained and penetrating cross-examination that his knowledge of World War 2 is unparalleled. His mastery of the detail of the historical documents is remarkable. He is beyond question able and intelligent. He was invariably quick to spot the significance of documents which he had not previously seen. Moreover he writes his military history in a clear and vivid style. I accept the favourable assessment by Professor Watt and Sir John Keegan of the calibre of Irving’s military history and reject as too sweeping the negative assessment of [defense witness Richard] Evans.”

Furthermore, the idea that an ideologically committed historian is intrinsically more susceptible to historical falsification is unfounded. As Michael Parenti, a firmly committed anti-capitalist and an outstanding scholar puts it:
"Many mainstream academics manifest a remarkable detachment from the urgent realities of the world. What is unsettling is how this is treated as a scholarly virtue. Supposedly such detachment helps them to retain their objectivity. In fact, much of the best scholarship comes from ideologically committed scholars. Thus, it is female and African American researchers who respectively have produced the best work on the oppressions of sexism and racism, areas that their white male colleagues never imagined were fit subjects for study. It is they, in their partisan urgency, who have revealed the unexamined sexist and racist presumptions of conventional scholarship in the sciences and social sciences."

And it is David Irving and the Holocaust revisionists who have in their partisan urgency revealed a Holocaust dogma masquerading as history. We needn't loathe them. In fact, we ought to help them, for who fails to benefit when the layers of legend and myth encrusting our history are peeled away?


Justice Charles Gray, David Irving Vs. Penguin Books Ltd. and Deborah Lipstadt, April 11, 2000

D. D. Guttenplan, The Holocaust On Trial, (Granta Books, 2001)

Diana Johnstone, Fool's Crusade - Yugoslavia, NATO, and Western Delusions, (Monthly Review, 2002)

Michael Parenti, To Kill A Nation - The Attack on Yugoslavia, (Verso, 2000)

Michael Parenti, Against Empire (City Lights, 1995)

Daniel McGowan, "What Does Holocaust Denial Really Mean?" Dissident Voice, February 17, 2009

Mark Weber, "After the Irving-Lipstadt Trial: New Dangers and Challenges," Institute for Historical Review

Mark Weber, "Opportunity and Challenge in a New Era," Institute For Historical Review


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Michael Hoffman said...

I am thankful for your excellent and courageous summation of David Irving's trial. I have an archive of material on the trial here:

My only criticism would be that if you are going to impugn David Ray Griffin you do so with some substance, rather than just dissing him in passing, on the supposition that the hive mind knows he is a guy to discount: "... the judge accepted the legitimacy of a David Ray Griffin-style 'cumulative proof,' which dispensed with the need to find or cite direct evidence.

This is how the high priests of Holocaustianity dismiss revisionist researchers, with offhand disapprobation. Let's not adopt their tactics. We should be open to a fair assessment of all "heresies," including the heresy of doubting the Bush-Cheney narrative of Sept. 11, 2001.

Griffin's 2009 book, "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7: Why the Final Official Report About 9/11 Is Unscientific and False" is an excellent work of revisionist investigation. Have you read it?

Charles said...

No event in human history has been studied as thoroughly and carefully than the Holocaust. Thousands of thesis and dissertations papers have poured over all of the evidence, from anecdotal testimony to captured German war documents. Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany. One can no more "revise" this fact than one can revise the existence of gravity. Captured German documents alone account for enough evidence to convict Nazi Germany of mass genocide in any civil (not Islamic) court. You can suggest that 5.6 million Jews were killed, instead of six million. But, you cannot deny that millions of innocent Jews were murdered. The Wannsee Conference planned the killing. Nazi concentration camp records prove that it was carried out.

Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize genocide we send a critical message to the world. As we continue to live in an age of genocide and ethnic cleansing, we must repel the broken ethics of our ancestors, or risk a dreadful repeat of past transgressions. We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany - most in gas chambers. These facts have been proven repeatedly through countless thesis and dissertation research papers. Virtually every PhD in the world will stake their career on the veracity of known Holocaust facts. Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Such deniers have only one agenda - to distort the truth in a way that promotes antagonism against the object of their hatred, or to deny the culpability of their ancestors and heroes.

Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred. Books, films and presentations can reinforce the veracity of past and present genocides. They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from prejudice. It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision. We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes.

A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation. We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny's only hope. Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.

Charles Weinblatt
Author, "Jacob's Courage"

Michael Smith said...

Thanks for your response, Mr. Hoffman.

I read your account of the Zundel trial, but I have never read anything from your website. However,I will check it out.

I have commented more at length on David Ray Griffin in my July 2, 2007 post, "Gas Chambers, 911, and the Perils of Orthodoxy." Basically, I object to Griffin's approach of throwing a bunch of mud at the wall in the hope that something sticks. My general politics are far closer to Griffin's than yours, but that approach really stinks. And he gives himself a motive to distort the truth by saying that the American people have not been convinced to reject empire by pointing out its cost to other peoples (and presumably cannot be so convinced by such means), but they would be convinced if they learned that their own leaders had sacrificed thousands of Americans on 911. Even if this cynical view is correct, it has nothing to do with whether or not 911 actually was a so-called inside job. Griffin's desire to use the issue to further a political agenda, even if I happen to agree with much of that agenda, undermines whatever confidence I might otherwise have had in him.

I read Griffin's first book and was not encouraged to read more by what he had to say there.

All orthodoxies are false, but not all heresies are true.

That U.S. leaders would embrace such an extravagant plot (i.e., pre-planted explosives in the twin towers) merely to get a pretext for war (such pretexts are not hard to come by) strains credulity. And the practical difficulties in carrying out such a lunatic plot would have been prohibitive.

Not so for Osama bin Laden, or someone else like him. The U.S. power structure is not designed to serve his interests, obviously, so he would have had to resort to extraordinary means.

The "let-it-happen-on-purpose" hypothesis is less implausible, which is not to say that I accept it as true. But I can't dismiss it out of hand.

Anonymous said...

No event in human history has been studied as thoroughly and carefully than the Holocaust. Thousands of thesis and dissertations papers have poured over all of the evidence, from anecdotal testimony to captured German war documents. Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany.

The holohoax only exists on paper, physically it is a total myth carried over from the first world war. No working murder weapon and no remains -- no wonder it needs laws to protect it!

Anonymous said...

"No event in human history has been studied as thoroughly and carefully than the Holocaust. Thousands of thesis and dissertations papers have poured over all of the evidence, from anecdotal testimony to captured German war documents. Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany."

Why is it then that the German Archives at Bad Arolsen which were recently opened and which contain the most detailed and complete record of Concentration Camp inmates does not contain a single forensic report documenting prisoner execution by means of gas?

Why is it that the 1600 page ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) Report published shortly after the war describing the conditions and operation of the German concentration camps makes no mention of gas chambers as a means of execution? This despite the fact that the ICRC Representatives had access to all camps during the war including Auschwitz.

Why is it that the Allies at the Nurenberg Kangaroo trial found it necessary to lie about the Katyn Massacre, the soap bars manufactured from Jewish fat, the lampshades derived from Jewish prisoners' tatooed skin, the fake gas shower heads at Dachau, and the Jewish shrunken heads, if there was supposedly overwhelming documentary evidence that the Germans operated death factories employing Zyklon-B gas chambers as the murder technology on an industrial scale?

Anonymous said...

Even the late Raul Hilberg admitted there is not a single document pertaining to mass murder, during the Zundel trial. If I recall, this trial was the one where Zundel made them concede the plaque at Auschwitz was a load of Communist Bollocks, and they put a new one up at the theme park with nearly 'Three Million' less on it.

That U.S. leaders would embrace such an extravagant plot (i.e., pre-planted explosives in the twin towers) merely to get a pretext for war (such pretexts are not hard to come by) strains credulity. And the practical difficulties in carrying out such a lunatic plot would have been prohibitive.

But you are willing to adhere to the illogical nonsense that the official story suggests, without a concern?

heidilore said...

Charles, if your position is so obvious...why villify those that attempt to debunk it? Why not allow people to speak their minds about it, without fear of retribution? We must get past this, and be allowed to research.

Anonymous said...

Studying the Holocaust has not brought any tolerance, whatsoever, it has only brought the non-Jews into blind submission to the Jewish Zionist agenda. Giving up your mind to someone else's control is not "tolerance". "The Holocaust" should be studied as a mass mind control event, not as an historical event!

Anonymous said...

I don't believe the holocaust happened, but even if it did, the Jews deserved it. The Jews have been toppling civilizations for thousands of years, its well past time for their turn at extinction.

Anonymous said...

Charles--here's something to ponder(and maybe even research). Did you know WWII was not the first time "six million Jews" was run up the flagpole? http://fliiby.com/file/311869/6uyhln87f9.html That is the "mystical number of jews that had to be sacrificed before their "return".(I call invasion/occupation). The British Balfour Declaration(instigated by Lord Rothschild) gave the Khazarian/Askenazi jews(jews by conversion only, not blood) of eastern Europe title to Palestine. It wasn't Britian's to give. There is a reason the Jews have been bounced out of almost every nation in Europe for centuries. It isn't because of who they are...it's what they do. The rub is social, economic, political and financial. They have been a subversive force to anyone who will host them.

Anonymous said...

This is an excellent and courageous and intelligent essay, which speaks for itself -- unlike Mr. Weinblatt's sanctimonious hornswaggle. "Dogs in the fight," indeed!

Let's not forget Van Pelt's latest bombshell, stating that there is no physical proof for "99% of what we know about Auschwitz." Van Pelt is a dubious individual, and so (not surprisingly) is his way of phrasing things. A better way to state the idea would have been to say, "99% of what we would like to believe about Auschwitz..." or "99% of what we would like others to believe about Auschwitz..." And, pray tell, what and where is this proof, if it is not physical evidence? Anecdotal stories? Photographs of piles of bodies of the unfortunate souls who died of Typhus and other diseases? Camp records, which (after release from the Kremlin archives) indicated that about 70,000 Jews died at Auschwitz?

Stewart Ogilby said...

David Irving is a methodical and scientific historian, albeit a "shirtsleeves" one who is fluent in German and uses original sources, unlike most academics who incestuously rehash others' works. His earlier estimate of the number of Jewish deaths in the Rheinhardt camps has been confirmed by his recent in recently released wartime British broken Nazi coded transmission. Jewish scholars anxious to document the inhumanity of the Nazis should feel indebted to this so-called "denier". Those who castigate Irving need to make an effort to read his books. This decent man has become a victim of the Zionist propaganda machine, pure and simple.

Anonymous said...

Yes the 6 million number has been used before during WW1. Stupid Bible shit about that mystical number and the Jews return. It is plain logic. That amount of people killed in 2-3 years the "victims" would have to be stacked moved like products on a assembly line. Do the math. You would have to strip clothes, gas them, remove and then bury/burn the bodies. That would have to be done at the rate of 7 seconds for each person 24 hours a day 365 days for 3 years to be able to justify those numbers. The final point is the truth needs no laws to make it true. Truth can stand on it own. "Truth wills out" If someone tells me that I can't question history without being ruined and go to jail then they are hiding something.

Anonymous said...

"a David Ray Griffin-style "cumulative proof," which dispensed with the need to find or cite direct evidence - a great convenience."

Ouch, you had me up until this point. I have to unfortunately dismiss the entire article. David Ray Griffin gives a lot of evidence to his claims. By stating what you have stated you are attempting to, in an underhanded way, equate Griffin (and by association the entire study of 9/11) as a "conspiracy" against the truth. This IS poor scholarship and 180% backwards. It is the absence of historical continuity and historically documented duplicity of government & its claims that provokes a serious study of issues. Again you contradict your thesis.

Anonymous said...

Excellent assessment Mr. Smith. The comments are also enlightening. One that find interesting is that posted by Charles Weisblatt. Gives the typical scripted material, much of which is questionable (if they allow you to do so) or refuted. At the end, he provides website for his book. Everything is a promotion. No wonder people are suspicious/skeptical.

KurtB said...

No sane person disputes that tens of thousands of Jews were murdered by the Nazi’s during WW2. The Einsatzgruppen shot and buried thousands in mass graves while thousands more perished from disease and malnutrition in the camps, especially towards the end of the war when Allied bombing destroyed the German supply infrastructure.
What is disputed is that there was a central plan of genocide carried out in purpose build extermination camps.
The conference at Wannsee in 1942 discussed a ‘final solution’ to the Jewish question as expulsion and resettlement not extermination.
At Auschwitz Birkenau the crematoria are real; it is the attached morgue that is misrepresented as a ‘gas chamber’. No traces of cyanide exist in this building, unlike in the disinfecting buildings where Zyklon-B was used. And, as professor Robert Van Pelt was forced to admit under oath at the Irving-Lipstadt trial, no induction holes exist in the roof of the morgue as claimed by ‘eyewitnesses’.
The ‘proof’ of the Holocaust seems to consist of repeated assertions that there are volumes of evidence for the ‘most thoroughly documented event in history’ and that anyone who would question it is either a lunatic or hates Jews. Yet when you actually look at the evidence it distills down to the conflicting testimony of less than two dozen witnesses worldwide who claim to have seen gassings along with the confessions of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Hoss and Untersturmführer Kurt Gerstein who both the British and Polish authorities admit were horribly tortured.
Saying that the Germans documented everything they did is true, but it proves the negative. No order from Hitler, no plan, no budget or disbursement records for this purpose and no blueprints for homicidal gas chambers. (The recent splash made about finding them in Berlin are now admitted to be plans for a de-lousing facility at Auschwitz.) We are supposed to believe this massive industrial scale genocide was all done with a wink and a wave.
How is it ‘hate’ to suggest there is evidence that millions of people were not murdered? That would be good news. Hate is accusing Germans of being homicidal murderers and denying them a chance to examine the evidence and offer a defense against the charges. If revisionist arguments are wrong they should be subjected to peer review in a public forum, not jail.

Michael Smith said...

Of course I do not accept any "illogical nonsense," if it can be demonstrated to be such. I already stated that the Bush Administration's claim that "they" hate us because of our "freedom" is an example of that.

Yes, David Ray Griffin advances a lot of "evidence" for his claims. So does the Holocaust Industry for its claims. The question, however, is whether the "evidence" is logically compelling with respect to the respective conclusions drawn. Cumulative proofs allow speculation to be passed off as fact. That should not be permitted.

Anonymous said...


No sane person disputes that tens of thousands of Jews were murdered by the Nazi’s during WW2.

I dispute the Nazis murdered Jews. The reason Jews would have been executed was for treason or being a Communist Terrorist sabotaging German troops and supplies. No army puts up with that.

The Einsatzgruppen shot and buried thousands in mass graves

Can you show me a excavated 'mass grave' from the Einzatgruppe? Not a single fragment of a bone has ever been shown to exist by any of the supposed investigations. Just more hollow Jewish fables, that cannot be backed up with the slightest physical evidence.

while thousands more perished from disease and malnutrition in the camps, especially towards the end of the war when Allied bombing destroyed the German supply infrastructure.

Yes, and that is the only physical evidence you ever see, Typhus victims at the wars end caused by the total collapse of the German infastructure. The British and Americans still peddle this poisonous smut around today. Even though it was greedily filmed at camps that were on German soil, where no 'death camps' are now said to have existed -- wrong side of the demarcation line old chap!

Anonymous said...

"Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated..."
which only goes to prove that virtually every historian with a PhD in European History knows that a contrary opinion would get him several years in a European slammer.

Anonymous said...

Where I come from, "PhD" stands for "piled higher and deeper." And that doesn't mean bodies. It means B.S.

K. Peiper said...

I was at one of Mr. Irving's talks, he never denied that their were pogroms and mass murders on the Eastern front. He did say that these were not approved by the high command (excepting Himmler) and that Hitler expressly issued orders to stop these murders. He also stated that many times these pogroms were under way after the Soviets fled and before the Germans arrived as a retribution against the jewish commissars and their cronies who had ruled the local population with an iron fist and had inflicted severe repression.
This Six Million figure seems to keep getting used over and over, and now we are compelled to believe under penalty of anti-semitism.

Myers said...

Odd that deniers here try to defend Irving, when he has essenially abandoned their position.

The only thing he still sticks to is a disagreement over the Krema gas chambers. He does not deny mass gassings in bunkers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, he does not deny gassings of Jews at the Reinhard camps, and he does not deny that many hundreds of thousands of Jews (1 millon plus was last figure given) were shot behind the Eastern front.

In a 2009 speech, he admitted that he is more orthodox than revisionist in regards to the Holocaust, and he accepts that some 4 million Jews perished in the war.

Anonymous said...

You heard about the Holocaust in which 6 million Jews were killed in Nazi Death Camps.

Did you hear about the "threatened holocaust" of 6 million Jews about 20 years earlier?

Probably not, even though a former Governor of New York wrote about it in 1919, because that early holocaust never became a best-seller.

Published in
The American Hebrew
October 31, 1919
by Martin Glynn

In Glynn's article, we find that World War I ended "for everybody, but the Jew."

Glynn encourages the League of Nations to bring peace to the world, and he wants to "give justice to the Jew and other oppressed peoples".

However, this threatened Holocaust of 6 million Jews never became popular with the American or European public. Perhaps this is why the Zionists staged a new and improved version of the 6 million Holocaust during World War II. In this revised Holocaust, they made sure that some of the 6 million Jews were killed. This turned out to be the key to making the Holocaust a phenomenal success.

The contents of the article are below. It serves as a lesson in how not to market a Holocaust.

1919, the crucifixion of (6 million) Jews Must Stop!

Anonymous said...

Odd that deniers here try to defend Irving, when he has essenially abandoned their position.

I don't defend Irving at all, I think he is a two-faced disgrace. An opportunist who tried to be the bigshot and couldn't take the heat. He now spends his life trying to redeem himself by arselicking and courting his persecuters. He has become a pathetic sight, no honour and no integrity. Do you think his 'abandonment' had anything to do with not spending as long as Zundel in prison for thought crimes. Or do you think it just a coincedence?

He like you, cannot provide any physical evidence for the wholesale slaughter of 'eleven million', neither can you show us how the diabolical murder weapon functioned -- and that is fact!

Anonymous said...

Myers said,
Odd that deniers here try to defend Irving, when he has essenially abandoned their position.

Wow, 'Deniers'! You sound like some deranged, psychopathic witch hunter from the seventeenth century.

Scary to think these bigoted zealots are still roaming free. If they are allowed to thrive, there will come a time when everyone will become a 'denier' of some sort.

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you can apply the principle of parsimony, in which case you're left with explosives at the center of your hypothesis.

That U.S. leaders would embrace such an extravagant plot (i.e., pre-planted explosives in the twin towers) merely to get a pretext for war (such pretexts are not hard to come by) strains credulity.

Your incredulity fails to account for any of the indicting facts.

Gaileo's accumulative argument also strained a few people's credulity, but the Chief World System he advocated while invoking the principle of parsimony, was essentially correct.

Darwin's Origins was also an accumulative argument.
The modern theory of evolution still strains many a "sense of credulity", but it is essentially correct.

Suspend you disbelief one day and check the evidence.

Anonymous said...

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Balder said...

I want to thank Michael K. Smith for this excellent piece on the Irving Lipstadt trial.

Charles: "Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated...[etc.]"

Anonymous: "which only goes to prove that virtually every historian with a PhD in European History knows that a contrary opinion would get him several years in a European slammer. "

Not yet in Denmark. Here we have an example of a historian who was employed at a government financed university department, of which a subdivision; the 'Department for Holocaust and Genocide Studies' seems mainly dedicated to 'fighting holocaust denial', and installing a guilt trip in school children.

Anders Otte Stensager appears to be of the well known left leaning, pro multicult stock. He even has a desire for more holocaust museums. He has a PhD. pre historic archeology, is specialized in holocaust-archeology, and wrote a book about the Nazi doctor Josef Mengele..

Yet he said the following:

'[..] that the crematoria ovens were able to burn the 1.1 Jews in Auschwitz, but states at the same time that the 6 million figure can no longer be supported:

During the time close to Germany's capitulation, keeping track of the number of inmates, amongst others in Auschwitz was done less conscientious.

Since at the same time the six million number is based on inaccurate Soviet figures, today there is no evidence to conclude that six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust. The number is probably closer to four million" (Source: Spørgsmålstegn ved historien, 2007)'

In connection with his comments on the now also greatly reduced official numbers of victims of the alleged genocide of Muslims in the former republic of Yugoslavia, Anders Otte Stensager said:

"Specifications of this kind are not wholly unproblematic.

Similar to corresponding investigations of the Nazi's extermination of Jews, also here the number has been reduced from six to four millions through the years, of whom nearly one million perished in the Auschwitz gas chambers."

So here we have a person who does not let propagandistic considerations cloud his judgment as a professional. Clearly not somebody who wants to 'find excuses for what the Nazis did'. This is just one historian but I bet there are plenty more with similar views, who are more careful, knowing what the consequences could be.

Anyway, he works as a librarian now, and is no longer connected to the institute, for whatever reason.

But also the theories of more well known accepted historians differ considerably from each other.

The claim that 'most historians agree on the main points', such as the intentional, planned extermination on Hitler's orders, widespread use of gas chambers for killing humans, the importance or authenticity of the 'Wannsee Protocol', as well as the numbers, does not hold up to further scrutiny.

Danish holocaust researcher refutes claim of 6 million Jews killed during The Holocaust

By the way; I would not be the least surprised if missing millions Jews were found in some graves somewhere at some time, gassed or otherwise murdered. Everything is possible, and new evidence may appear. But so far the evidence for the popular propagandistic concept of 'the holocaust' is flimsy, and the repression of historical research and the persecutions of countless individuals for that reason is outrageous, especially seen with that in mind.

But the same thing also almost happened to 'climate deniers', who were probably only spared a fate similar to that of the revisionists because the shocking evidence of the monumental fraud by leading IPCC members surfaced at exactly the right time.

Anonymous said...

By the way; I would not be the least surprised if missing millions Jews were found in some graves somewhere at some time, gassed or otherwise murdered. Everything is possible, and new evidence may appear.

I don't. Ehrenberg, Stalins odious, Jewish propaganda minister was livid when the Germans exhumed Katyn and found all the Poles executed using German bullets. He would have been desperate to find graves to hang on the Germans, but they have never found any. The only mass graves that they seem to find are the Communist/Allies doing.

Instead we just get fed a diet of bullshit to compensate, like lampshades, soap, conveyer belts, geysers of blood, diesel submarine engines, etc, etc. As for the supposed murder sites, these lying scoundrels can't cover them in layers of concrete fast enough. Their worst nightmare that anyone should actually do a thorough and independent investigation.

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Already Published, thank you for your post.

If your contention is correct, it means that Arab attackers planted explosives in the twin towers in 2001, as they did in 1993.

In the age of space travel we no longer need to resort to Galileo's arguments to confirm that medieval Christian cosmology was fatally flawed.

I find Darwinism more plausible than Creationism, but will concede that there is a metaphysical leap of faith in all arguments, especially about the origin of life, a question that religion can't help commenting on. The question is, how large a leap of faith is reasonable?

I can accept a cumulative proof as a means to determine whether there exists sufficient evidence with which to indict a criminal suspect. But once the trial begins, the presumption of innocence requires that a more rigorous proof emerge. It's not right to convict anyone based on speculation. It's especially important to remember this with respect to people we easily hate (Bush, Cheney, Hitler, etc.)

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It would have been far easier for the filth that control America to rig the buildings considering the AIPAC puppet, Bush had his brother running the security at these premises. He was also in league with the vile Zionist murderers Silverstein, Guilliani and Wolfowitz.

Molton steel three months after the towers turned to dust, and you still don't see it? Maybe invading Iran and starting WWIII with Russia might start you thinking -- but I have my reservations.

Anonymous said...

I thought the judge also had an agenda more along the rahrah finest-hour lines of how wonderful GB was declaring war and bombing all those innocent civilians and then letting the Bolsheviks take over half of Germany, i.e., wasn't that Irving's 'real heresy'? Lipstadt was and is a nobody who parlayed her libel into lucrative book deals, faculty appointments, etc. Irving's World War II studies are highly regarded by serious scholars. BTW, I grew up in bombed-out Germany during the immediate post-war, planned-in-advance Jewish-orchestrated witch hunts, and the barrage of Stars & Stripes hysterical propaganda, and Eisenhower's fake 'gas chamber' at Dachau, and thought it was BS then. Followed by that incredible overnight volte face re our yesterday's valiant allies the Sovs suddenly facing us at the Fulda Gap. And yes, PhD studies in modern European history. Instead of being labeled 'deniers' or even 'revisionists' when we're not 'revising' what actually occurred, couldn't we just be anti-Bolshie? Thanks for the legalese.

Robert said...

Very impressive article.

I recommend the late Carl Nordling's elegantly reasoned articles on the demographics of the 'Holocaust'.


The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and Domination 1938-1945
Carl O. Nordling

"It is obvious that wholesale extermination was not decreed by the Nazi leadership as a means to rid occupied Europe of prominent Jews, capable of influencing public opinion."


How Many Jews Died in the German Concentration Camps?
Carl O. Nordling

"The general magnitude was certainly half a million, but the actual number of Jews who died in the German concentration camps might well have been as low as 300,000 or as high as 600,000."

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Mr.Charles Weinblatt..
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Why don't you apply this to what you are doing to the Palistinian people??


A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation. We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny's only hope. Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.

Charles Weinblatt
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9/11 ¨Denier¨, David Ray Griffin
has been cited.

Now from time to time,
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In the light of this,
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Michael Santomauro said...

Debating the Holocaust: A New Look at Both Sides By Thomas Dalton

In this remarkable, balanced book, the author skillfully reviews and compares "traditional" and "revisionist" views on the "The Holocaust."

On one side is the traditional, orthodox view -- six million Jewish casualties, gas chambers, cremation ovens, mass graves, and thousands of witnesses. On the other is the view of a small band of skeptical writers and researchers, often unfairly labeled "deniers," who contend that the public has been gravely misled about this emotion-laden chapter of history.

The author establishes that the arguments and findings of revisionist scholars are substantive, and deserve serious consideration. He points out, for example, that even the eminent Jewish Holocaust scholar Raul Hilberg acknowledged that there was no budget, plan or order by Hitler for a World War II program to exterminate Europe's Jews.

This book is especially relevant right now, as "Holocaust deniers" are routinely and harshly punished for their "blasphemy," and as growing numbers of people regard the standard, Hollywoodized "Holocaust" narrative with mounting suspicion and distrust.

The author of this book, who writes under the pen name of "Thomas Dalton," is an American scholar who holds a doctoral degree from a major US university.

This is no peripheral debate between arcane views of some obscure aspect of twentieth century history. Instead, this is a clash with profound social-political implications regarding freedom of speech and press, the manipulation of public opinion, how our cultural life is shaped, and how power is wielded in our society.


Anonymous said...

I am not a historian. I have never had the slightest interest in holocaust denial. I have always accepted the mainstream narrative. There is only ONE reason why the issue attracted my attention at all: the fact that powerful people want to put historians in prison for denying it. That does not prove the holocaust deniers are right; it proves that powerful people FEAR they might be right.
I have no common ground with anyone who wants to put a historian in prison regardless of what he has written. If that makes someone want to label me an anti-Semite, so be it.

Anonymous said...

Some points...

1. The crematoria at Auschwitz were built by the soviets AFTER the 'liberation' of the camp.

2. If David Irving has 'changed his tune' about the numbers of 'Jewish' dead in the camps...

It is most certainly because he has been threatened by militant 'Jews' to do so.

David Cole did the same thing after they got to him.

Think about it - if 'THEY' came and told you to 'change your tune' - OR 'THEY' will kill you; your mother; your girlfriend; your children...

And you KNOW that 'THEY' are not kidding - chances are: you would 'change your tune' as well! Look into David Cole's story... watch all of his videos (available on Rense.com), then look at his abrupt 180 degree about-face & subsequent recantation and apologies. What happened is plain to those who have eyes to see!

3. Arab Muslims had NOTHING to do with 9/11!!

I cannot believe that it's been nearly 10 YEARS and people STILL believe (to some extent or another) the 'official' version of what transpired on (and before) 9/11!!

ISRAEL DID 9/11! Period.

Look into all of the 'asbestos abatement' work that was being done pre-9/11.

Look at the HUNDREDS of Israeli 'spies' (operatives) that good American cops arrested - only to be quietly released and sent back to Israel by Israeli 'Jewish' dual-citizen Michael Chertoff.

If good cops caught HUNDREDS of these 'spies' ('Jewish' terrorists) - then HOW MANY GOT AWAY?

There were NO physical hijackers on those planes - Arab or otherwise! The 'Jew' who was PRETENDING to be an Arab (and his 3 accomplices - whose ASSUMED Arab names escape me now) NEVER even boarded those planes.

The planes were 'hijacked' by remote-control using the auto-pilot/anti-hijacking software by 'rabbi' Dov Zakheim and his minions.

All the phone calls that were supposedly made from the planes were faked using voice-impersonation technology with voice samples obtained through Israel's back-door access to American telecommunications (Amdocs, Comverse Infosys, etc).



The Prodigal Son

Robert said...

Ah, yes, David Cole. Proof that death threats work.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Michael Hoffman that Michael K. Smith's summation of the Irving vs Lipstat trial is a gem. Those researching and writing on the holocaust rarely mention the behind-the-scenes psychological warfare "black propaganda" work of three very interesting WWII era groups-The Bergson Group, The Ritchey Boys and Sefton Delmer's British PWE (Political Warfare Executive). The Bergson Group was was an Irgun cell run by Hillel Kook (aka Peter Bergson) that churned out anti-German atrocity stories from offices in Washington DC which were planted in periodicals like The Reader's Digest. The Riitchey Boys were for the most part refugee German speaking Jewish psyops soldiers trained at Fort Ritchie, Maryland and sent back into occupied Europe at the end of the war as court clerks, investigators, interrogators, patent looters, and disinformation agents. Wikipedia says there 10,000 Ritchie Boys,
but try finding any follow-up on just of ten of them. Finally, the Political Warfare Executive was claimed by David Irving to be the source of the Auschwitz gassing story before he changed his tune. Specifically, Irving used to insist it was a bit of disinfo put into circulation by the PWE and the Polish Government in Exile officially recognized as black propaganda by a Mr. Cavendish-Bentinck in an exchange of telegrams here: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Cavendish/Bentinck.html
For a video crash course in OSS/Signal Corps psyops in relation to what has become the received history of holocaust a visit to http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ is recommended.

Teutonsuet said...

Holocaust "denial" as terrorism... An nteresting rogues gallery of the participants of the infamous and under reported 2006 Tehran Holocaust conference here:

Anonymous said...

It bother me that the holocaust has reached godly status. You can say God is dead, the American Forefathers were all pagans, curse the President and nothing happens to you.

Question the holocaust and holy hell breaks loose. If the holocaust is a historical event then factualizing it shouldn't be a crime to get you thrown in jail. In fact, getting the FACTS and the truth about it should bring you praise.

But since the Zionist have a lot to loose in credibility and answers for lying to the public, you can see why they don't want to expose it to scientific examination but are content at witness hearsay, the least credible evidence.

The more I study this topic the more the blinders fall off. It's a great feeling to have unlocked a part of history that for 60 + years has fooled the majority of the world.

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